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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the nsa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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oh there we have some that is good

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timing it's just connecting

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all right hey andy how's it going today

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it is going very well sim we're just

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going ahead and the guys are

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contacting the desert have asked us just

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to keep recording so this will just be

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going out anyway uh sam i've just been

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talking for my first time ever to an

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audience

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that isn't actually there because it's

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been recorded um just on my own and i've

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been talking about how we have spoken on

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my podcast previously

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a little bit about uh resonance or or

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and the differences of those as well but

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uh i'm going to get into it and again

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in the desert i was really looking

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forward to

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catching up with this year um i've

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spoken to you before but i find

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you and your your field fascinating and

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there's so much we could talk about with

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it as well

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oh yeah first off at contacting a desert

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i just want you to talk a little bit

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about what can people expect to hear

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and see from you this year oh well

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thanks a lot andy thanks for having me

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here again

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uh it's always a pleasure to talk to you

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yeah no so i have this presentation i

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about seriously looking at the idea that

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there are parallel realities

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uh what science has produced so far the

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theories well-formed theories that come

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national labs to look for particles that

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decay which suggests that there's some

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parallel reality uh the idea that this

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seriously it's not just in the realm of

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science fiction increasingly

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just like the ufo uap topic

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like they're parallel realities but the

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so that's one presentation the other

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viewing workshop where we actually go

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however it comes across to you so those

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that is what i'm very much looking

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force report and things like that which

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the discovery of a parallel or multiple

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theory do you know they didn't know of a

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parallel realities that there are other

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other realities at slightly different

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wonder whether that explains what we see

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with some of these phenomena when you

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and this doesn't really apply to the tic

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really haven't reached yet and they

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could be

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uh parallel realities that you know have

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something to do with that

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i think we talked about on my podcast i

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like analogies and i talked about a

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radio

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transistor that you're tuning in and as

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you go through you pick up some faint

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signals and

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at times you hear something coming

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through you're not expecting and maybe

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that's what we as receivers

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are seeing as we go through the

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frequencies that sometimes stuff bleeds

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through that we're not expecting on

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as is the radio exactly no andy i think

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it's a very good analogy as a kid i used

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to build electronic kits

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and i was always amazed even with a

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crystal radio no battery required

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that that nearby am station was allowed

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enough for you to hear

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just because the the the amplitude gets

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converted as a frequency

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into sound through your earpiece

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into electricity and then sound and you

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always got bleed through

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other stations now it's the same analogy

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is that

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all it would mean is what we see as

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reality is one channel

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in the whole radio spectrum it's not

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that outlandish an idea we accept it

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with radio and television and other

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types of broadcast i used to be into

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shortwave radio it was always

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interesting listen to all these

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different countries fascinating to

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listen to the different points of view

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from their news

327
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you know and uh that was

328
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a lot of fun but it sort of got me used

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to the idea that in the same

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sort of frequency spectrum there can be

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different stations

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and often stations don't know of each

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other you could just be listening to

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voice of america

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forever not realizing that you know

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uh you know the voice of north korea was

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right there on a neighboring channel

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but they were there the whole time you

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just didn't pick it up so i i think it

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right now we don't have any hard proof

341
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that it works this way but

342
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it seems to me explains a lot of

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phenomena not just in the ufo area as

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you realize but other phenomena that

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seem related to it

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and some of the strange electromagnetic

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effects

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that seem to occur around these

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phenomena i think it's something we need

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to consider and

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again increasingly scientists physicists

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sean carroll being one they've written

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whole books about this recently

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something deeply hidden uh that this is

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actually

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the simplest explanation for what we

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perceive it's not the most complex it's

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just quantum mechanics at its most

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straightforward interpretation

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yields parallel realities you don't have

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to add anything else in it just

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it's purely a product of the schrodinger

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wave function

364
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now people can hear a lot more about

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that in in your parallel reality

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presentation and same parallel reality

367
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realities with a scottish accent it's a

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bit of a tongue twister folks so

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apologies

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you also have your uh resonance viewing

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workshop and just before

372
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you want i explained you've got remote

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viewing and residence viewing

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which you prefer the term resonance just

375
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given the connotations of what it

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actually is so

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can you talk a little bit about remote

378
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slash resonance viewing

379
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yeah well it's the big surprise of the

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lifetime i didn't think it would work

381
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when i took the class i

382
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actually really went in as a skeptic i

383
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mean open-minded skeptic i was open to

384
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her i didn't expect that i would get

385
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results that would show that i had any

386
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sort of psychic ability but everyone in

387
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the class got results when

388
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in two or three days my classes were at

389
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the farsight institute in atlanta in

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1996

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and those classes were eight days long

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and it was really shocking

393
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andy to see that you could reproduce a

394
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picture with a high level of fidelity

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just

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sketching and and writing what was

397
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showing up in your mind's eye

398
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that you just had the intent to describe

399
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the site that you would be shown in 15

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or 20 minutes

401
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and somehow you just you know cast aside

402
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your doubts and just let the pen move

403
00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:36,320
around

404
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all of a sudden you've drawn the picture

405
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uh i've done this recently

406
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on my bulletin board uh

407
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superpowersbiomine.com

408
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uh it goes old url it was discarded

409
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and i just put up some targets there and

410
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i was just shocked at some of the

411
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accuracy people

412
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you know get so much detail we had a

413
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medieval clock and they got all the

414
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curves and the crescents and the

415
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just the design it's shocking when it

416
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works so this is our ability to pick up

417
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non-local information

418
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:08,800
literally get information from a a

419
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distant

420
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place or person or event sitting here

421
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wherever we are

422
00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:16,240
to me it's because the information is

423
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there as you said before kind of like a

424
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radio frequency you tune to it we don't

425
00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:21,600
know exactly how you do that but somehow

426
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:22,560
you tune to it

427
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,839
and there's information there and you

428
00:14:26,069 --> 00:14:25,120
just write it down before your

429
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:26,079
skepticism

430
00:14:30,629 --> 00:14:28,959
sinks in too deeply and lo and behold

431
00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:30,639
what you know good percentage of the

432
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time much more than you would expect

433
00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:33,839
just from a sort of random

434
00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:35,680
function you get some very accurate

435
00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:36,959
information

436
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:39,600
it can describe even events into the

437
00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:41,360
future by a few days with a

438
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:44,639
you know 60 70 degree of accuracy

439
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:47,519
in a kind of on a binary outcome this or

440
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that

441
00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:49,279
you know this possibility or this

442
00:14:54,389 --> 00:14:51,920
possibility so it's really an astounding

443
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:54,399
finding i know the military used this

444
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:55,279
and we'll probably talk about that

445
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:56,480
tonight

446
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:00,000
for 20-plus years uh with you know

447
00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:03,279
psychic espionage

448
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,120
uh different things types of

449
00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:07,199
intelligence activities that governments

450
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:08,240
do

451
00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,839
and they kept tasking these viewers over

452
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:11,199
and over they wouldn't come doing that

453
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,639
if they weren't getting something useful

454
00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:14,160
so it's a real surprising finding but it

455
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,920
fits into this

456
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:17,760
are you know is our formal definition of

457
00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:18,880
reality just too limited is there

458
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:20,720
something more going on i like rvndy

459
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:22,240
because

460
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,760
it's something that the average person

461
00:15:25,990 --> 00:15:25,519
can do just to show themselves that they

462
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,000
have

463
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:28,240
abilities they didn't know they had and

464
00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:29,839
that this all this talk

465
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:32,880
about quantum mechanics and uh

466
00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:34,800
different ways of accessing reality

467
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,240
something you can actually see yourself

468
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:37,920
do on a piece of paper

469
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:39,920
now before i ask you about the average

470
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:41,040
person and the

471
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:43,920
practicalities of of arvine what were

472
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,440
the military using this for and why

473
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:49,759
well they started doing it here in the

474
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:51,279
us because they found out that the

475
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:53,120
soviets were doing this the soviets had

476
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:54,480
an extensive

477
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:56,639
psychic espionage program and during the

478
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:57,839
cold war

479
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:00,399
the u.s just decided if they have it we

480
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:03,279
have to have it too initially it was

481
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:10,389
it was started just to see how much

482
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:11,360
would someone

483
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:14,000
be able to detect about so american

484
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,519
military abilities and capabilities

485
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,600
so they just did it to see what could

486
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,199
someone pick up and they were surprised

487
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:22,959
that you could pick up a lot you could

488
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:24,959
pick up code names and

489
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:27,360
folders and get all sorts of classified

490
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,519
specialized

491
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:31,360
special access program information you

492
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,800
shouldn't be getting from sitting here

493
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,240
in your chair that was kind of alarming

494
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:36,639
to the military so

495
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:39,519
you know threats generate funding as we

496
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:40,399
know

497
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,680
you can throw that word in you'll get a

498
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:43,839
lot of funding so this was considered

499
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:44,639
not only

500
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,839
ussr but china had extensive i'm told

501
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,600
five different institutes that were

502
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:51,199
looking into this

503
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:54,399
and uh excuse me there

504
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,600
uh it's okay uh

505
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,600
this uh they really we have to have two

506
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:01,199
so they developed this program you use

507
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:01,920
it

508
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,559
slow you have to start drawing and

509
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:08,240
writing it can take a little while for

510
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:09,839
the information to show up

511
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,760
so it wasn't really useful immediately

512
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:13,600
on the battlefield to find out where the

513
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:14,240
enemy

514
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:18,799
be used to

515
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:22,079
look at enemy technologies

516
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,559
adversaries technologies it was used

517
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,160
extensively for

518
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:28,880
drug interdiction in the u.s you know

519
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,000
counter narcotics operations

520
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:35,120
and a host of other purposes i'm

521
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,400
it seems that some of those are still

522
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:38,320
classified we're not told exactly what

523
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:39,280
these

524
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,320
projects were i'm curious if some of

525
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,120
them were used in this ufo uap

526
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,240
theater of information

527
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,720
i mean we know ingo viewed these i'm

528
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,320
wondering how much that happened and if

529
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,799
it's still classified i mean

530
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,720
they must have been seeing these objects

531
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,840
back then too and

532
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:59,280
i'm sure that some of the tasks didn't

533
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,960
involve those objects

534
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:02,799
and that's some of the stories involved

535
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,000
around this and

536
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:07,200
yes are that people are rving bases on

537
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:08,400
other planets or

538
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,840
it could be other realities that they're

539
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:12,840
potentially rving onto craft and seeing

540
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,280
beings how much stock do you put into

541
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:16,880
some of those

542
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,120
yeah well we did that a lot at my mount

543
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,799
baldy institute in boulder

544
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,400
we would give those in the advanced

545
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:24,000
class after people had

546
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:25,760
the basic techniques and the sort of the

547
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:27,520
mainstream intermediate levels the

548
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,400
matrix

549
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,559
as it's called in the advanced class we

550
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,039
would you know send people to a craft

551
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,559
and then if they seem to have good

552
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:35,679
target contact

553
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:36,559
we haven't told them what they're

554
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:39,039
looking at you say move inside

555
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:42,000
the man-made and described that's just

556
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:42,799
generic language

557
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:45,360
move inside something made by you know

558
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,000
people or

559
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,720
intelligence technology and sometimes

560
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,320
they say wow i feel like i'm inside a

561
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:52,080
flying saucer i feel like i'm being

562
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:53,679
watched the beans are telling me i

563
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:54,559
shouldn't be here

564
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:56,960
it's surprising uh people would say

565
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:58,000
they're telling me i shouldn't be here i

566
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,440
want to end the session

567
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:02,000
uh it's happened many times we viewed

568
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:03,120
the phoenix lights

569
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:06,880
and different objects back then that

570
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:10,080
were being seen so i do put stock

571
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,360
in it uh when you're in the rv state

572
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,679
you're not letting any skepticism in

573
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:17,280
it's open state where

574
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,960
new information could come through that

575
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,320
normally might block

576
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:22,640
so it is actually a good way to interact

577
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:23,840
with

578
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,320
ufo et sorts of phenomena because

579
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:30,320
you're not allowed to edit anything out

580
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,520
during the session you literally have to

581
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,360
write down everything you're getting so

582
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,520
ufo targets are good targets it's hard

583
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:37,120
to interpret exactly where they are but

584
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,240
you can do these kind of

585
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:40,080
locational exercises to trace where they

586
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:41,280
came from

587
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:42,559
and that's one way to get information

588
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,840
now the only drawback we can't really

589
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:45,120
verify at the end of the session how

590
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,480
much of it was accurate

591
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,559
the way we can with a normal verifiable

592
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,919
target but once a while they're fun to

593
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,360
do and people seem to learn something

594
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,600
from it and it shows us

595
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,000
perhaps this is really what it seems to

596
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,600
be this phenomenon

597
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,760
and would you say that would be the main

598
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,400
practicality for the average person who

599
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,880
who wants to get involved that contact

600
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:07,039
with other intelligences you know

601
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,480
if someone's listening to this just now

602
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:10,400
who thinks after dinner i'm going to sit

603
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,960
down and

604
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,400
sim's got a great youtube channel you

605
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:13,600
can go out and watch some of the stuff

606
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,080
there

607
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:16,320
right they have they might book into the

608
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,440
rv workshop

609
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,960
and they want to try it themselves what

610
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,480
are some of the first sorts of things

611
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,720
they may be looking at

612
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,000
well it's a good question and it's

613
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,520
really hard to tell because each person

614
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,480
is different

615
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,799
the rv signal works through the path of

616
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:30,080
least resistance kind of the way

617
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,840
lightning is going to find the fastest

618
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,360
point to the ground

619
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,280
so we don't know exactly what's going to

620
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:37,440
happen to you when you do this

621
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,960
i honestly don't know it uh is good for

622
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,400
many things the main thing

623
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:44,960
is to just get in touch with this other

624
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,720
sensory ability ingo swan really the

625
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,559
grandfather of a lot of these techniques

626
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,240
the written technique at least

627
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:55,280
that was pioneered at sri

628
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,200
in the 70s uh i mean

629
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,320
he felt we had more senses than science

630
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,320
formal science acknowledges so this is a

631
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,640
way to get in touch with those senses

632
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,400
and perceive reality in a different way

633
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,080
it's kind of like a gateway

634
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:13,200
to a wider range of phenomena it does

635
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,400
seem to me andy

636
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,400
seriously that people have done rv they

637
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,559
seem to gravitate towards a lot of

638
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,480
topics that we talk about on your

639
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,840
podcast

640
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,159
that are mentioned and covered at

641
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:26,000
contact in the desert

642
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,440
uh it is surprising but many it leads us

643
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,039
to believe there's a deeper reality and

644
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,799
that most of the time our superficial

645
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:34,320
consciousness doesn't access it or

646
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,280
contact it

647
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,880
when you open the floodgates a little

648
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,799
bit whatever is there in the greater

649
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,480
reality comes through

650
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,520
i've had people do rv that subsequently

651
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,280
started doing channeling

652
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:46,960
not even by choice it just started

653
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,520
happening to them really surprising

654
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,280
they got it under control eventually

655
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,120
just it stopped being involuntary but

656
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,640
something came through

657
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,640
um other people find that they become

658
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,159
really good artists

659
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:00,159
after doing rv it uses the right brain

660
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:01,200
ingo swan was an

661
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,080
artist it involves left and right brain

662
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,120
processes working together so surprising

663
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,360
things can come out of it

664
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,600
uh sometimes people have what appears to

665
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,799
be

666
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:17,120
paranormal contact during rv session i

667
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,919
know people

668
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,280
and i wrote about this in opening mind

669
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,760
the case where a viewer back at far side

670
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:23,600
felt like a bowl of light came into the

671
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,480
room

672
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,320
while he was viewing an e.t target he

673
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,159
wasn't told it was an et target

674
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,000
but he said something came into the room

675
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,760
and it actually hovered around there

676
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,000
and it was almost close enough to touch

677
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,600
and so forth i think he actually felt

678
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:36,720
that he got

679
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,440
scalded by it we don't know exactly what

680
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:41,200
this is that's why i encourage people to

681
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,400
proceed

682
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:45,039
carefully you know one step at a time

683
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,400
don't just jump into it

684
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,480
and want to do too much just a little

685
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,720
bit and see what happens but

686
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,640
it's real it gets you in contact with

687
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,080
something that you normally don't get in

688
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,919
contact with and you can use that in a

689
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:57,120
variety of ways

690
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,559
now you mentioned other speakers at

691
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,320
contact in the desert and i was very

692
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:02,400
lucky recently to speak to dr andrew

693
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:03,120
gallamore

694
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,039
and other psychedelics for you is there

695
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,559
much crossover

696
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:13,200
in rving and the potential use of

697
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,080
psychedelics

698
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,840
as well or do you think they are

699
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,840
something that's best kept separate

700
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,799
as to what they achieve yeah i haven't

701
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,960
used psychedelics so maybe i can't fully

702
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,559
answer the question

703
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,679
uh the rv process is kind of a

704
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,280
controlled process so

705
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,640
generally when you do it you're

706
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:32,720
discouraged from mixing it with anything

707
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,120
else

708
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,240
okay now having said that sometimes

709
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,720
people we know scientists and verticary

710
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,240
people seem to come up with a lot of

711
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,520
good ideas

712
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,760
even a hundred years ago the quantum

713
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,960
physicists

714
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,559
would come up with some of these ideas

715
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:48,480
over a beer

716
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,600
in the burlington brew house uh

717
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,679
and even a little bit of alcohol seems

718
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,480
to be related to increased creativity

719
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,400
nonetheless this rv technique i think

720
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,600
it's generally best

721
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,880
done just by itself enough is going on

722
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,000
there

723
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,600
so i s it's my advice i sort of think

724
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:09,360
that they're separate

725
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,279
processes nonetheless when you do use

726
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,279
you know a psychedelic drug or something

727
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:17,200
it does shift your frequency a bit you

728
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,000
actually are getting

729
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,520
real information it's not just

730
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,520
completely fictitious we know from the

731
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,039
scientific research

732
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,279
it takes pathways in the brain and makes

733
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,919
them more open to receiving data

734
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,520
sensory impressions that would normally

735
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,200
be filtered out and now they're sort of

736
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,559
on

737
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,200
and perhaps people would see we've been

738
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,559
talking about parallel realities maybe

739
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,320
they would see things that

740
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:39,919
even i wouldn't see at the moment

741
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,640
because that gateway is now open

742
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,440
it's conceivable that's what's happening

743
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,520
it's an interesting idea uh but like you

744
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,960
say that's that's one for you and you've

745
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,720
got dr andrew gallamore as well

746
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,080
now listen i want to get your thoughts

747
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:53,760
some before you go on the task force

748
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,320
reporting

749
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,600
one or two questions off the back of

750
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,520
that as well what what were your

751
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,039
thoughts when the report dropped a few

752
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,440
days ago

753
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:04,000
yeah on friday i was very happy with the

754
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,720
report

755
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,760
um i i did exactly what i wanted it to

756
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:09,360
do i was hoping they would just say

757
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:09,760
there's

758
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,120
an other category we can't explain

759
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:15,520
and they did that and i think that's a

760
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,480
huge step

761
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,640
for any government to say we don't know

762
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,320
what's going on governments never like

763
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,679
to do that they're paid to know what's

764
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,600
going on by their constituents

765
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,600
it's very high level of maturity to

766
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:27,279
admit there's something out there and we

767
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,080
don't know what's going

768
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,320
on and they said that only one out of

769
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,799
144 cases could be attributed to a

770
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:33,919
weather balloon

771
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,640
look how far we've come since the 60s

772
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,919
when it was 95

773
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,600
weather balloons and swamp gas and

774
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:41,600
flocks of geese and now they're saying

775
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,080
that's only

776
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,240
one and they didn't bring up flocks of

777
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,679
geese they didn't bring up

778
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,600
misidentifications of beans i thought

779
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,039
it was a very good start honestly

780
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,880
they said this is we don't have the

781
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:54,640
right sensors to pick this information

782
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,880
up

783
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,480
aircraft aren't fitted with sensors that

784
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,080
are designed to track these

785
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,799
zigzagging ufos they're moving at fast

786
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,520
speeds

787
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,880
we need more resources we should be

788
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,679
taking this seriously because we don't

789
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,600
know exactly in the other category they

790
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,600
went through the usual suspects you know

791
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:14,000
the u.s technology and foreign

792
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,120
technology and all that

793
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,240
and airborne clutter okay fine but

794
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,159
and that exists but they did say there's

795
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:21,679
another category we can't explain now

796
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,240
listen

797
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,400
we haven't seen the classified report if

798
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,080
you look at twitter uh some of the

799
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,919
tweets from people like uh

800
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,159
bob mcguire former intelligence official

801
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,760
said yeah he spoke to someone who had

802
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,200
been in one of these classified

803
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:34,320
briefings

804
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,840
i believe he said at the nsa a former

805
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,120
colleague someone the same level of

806
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,480
clearance that he was and this person

807
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,760
said they saw

808
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,200
if it's through 40 minutes of what

809
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,440
appeared to be science fiction like

810
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,159
activity on the screen 40 minutes of

811
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:49,440
solid

812
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,480
unexplainable ufo activity they were

813
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,799
gobsmacked they said now that would be

814
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,640
pretty astounding if this is what's

815
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,320
coming out i don't

816
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,440
i think this is perfect you don't want

817
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,960
it to all come out and wants everyone to

818
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,080
panic

819
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:06,159
you don't need to say it's alien as a

820
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,200
scientist

821
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,760
saying we don't know is golden because

822
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,279
it leaves the door open for other

823
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,880
possibilities and personally i'm happy

824
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:13,679
with it now look

825
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,200
the follow-up on friday is one of the

826
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,960
higher level people the pentagon issued

827
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,960
a memorandum i think if you saw that

828
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,679
that said okay folks the report said we

829
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,679
need to take this seriously we need to

830
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,960
revamp our reporting protocols our

831
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,960
uh the ways that we classify this

832
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,480
information we should be taking it more

833
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,679
seriously

834
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,679
so i think it's off to a good start if

835
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,679
disclosure was really happening this is

836
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,520
exactly how i'd want it to happen not a

837
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,840
big announcement from the president that

838
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,520
extraterrestrials are visiting on a

839
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,440
friday afternoon you know

840
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,720
the day after disclosure way that dolan

841
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,840
and zabel

842
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,279
put it in their book that's one way the

843
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,480
big you know the big announcement and

844
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:53,760
they're okay everyone go home and digest

845
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,159
everything

846
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,720
i kind of prefer a slow trickle i think

847
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,320
it's more fun this way i think more

848
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:59,120
people will

849
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,240
the less you feel threatened the more

850
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,919
open you will be to the data if it keeps

851
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:04,000
going like it's going the past couple

852
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,039
months

853
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,799
we'll be moving in a very good direction

854
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,480
over time it could take years but it'll

855
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:10,080
be a lot of very interesting years

856
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,039
there's more information

857
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,880
maybe the possibility of public hearings

858
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,600
in congress so i i liked it it sure

859
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,000
didn't

860
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,720
say they were the interdimensional or

861
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,640
e.t it just said other

862
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,960
and someone made a joke about this on

863
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,080
twitter which i thought was maybe we

864
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,399
should just call them the others

865
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:28,080
yes i'm actually looking at that tweet

866
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,630
the thing about the others though i

867
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,640
don't know if you have seen uh recently

868
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,520
joe murgia

869
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:40,159
put a compiled list of all tom delong's

870
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,120
claims

871
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,360
from the last couple of years and the

872
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,200
the language the others

873
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,440
appears there frequently now obviously

874
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,880
they've not said others within the

875
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,200
report you're taking then at the

876
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,840
summary of other however that's exactly

877
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,080
what i've been saying for months that

878
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,760
i just want to see an acknowledgement of

879
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,120
other and

880
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,200
i've seen that language of the others as

881
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,039
well what what do you think

882
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,120
now let's just open up a little bit they

883
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,960
know there's something else

884
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,080
someone else someone if not multiple

885
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,320
beings or entities yes oh yes what do

886
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,360
you think's going on with

887
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,120
the others then what are these things

888
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,559
potentially buzzing

889
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:19,200
navy carriers what you know what is it

890
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:19,679
that

891
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,279
they're doing i don't know exactly what

892
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:25,200
they're doing with the navy carrier

893
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,320
groups and

894
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,000
the east and the west coast it's

895
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,000
fascinating i don't know

896
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,559
i don't know what those objects are i

897
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,240
can't really rule anything out and i

898
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,080
can't rule out the fact that there could

899
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,320
be other countries i mean i do study

900
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:40,080
cold fusion and leonard and i know other

901
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,440
countries have made huge amounts of

902
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,559
progress on this

903
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,720
versus the u.s they've never stopped

904
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,559
studying it there was a 30-year ban

905
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,080
on it in the u.s honestly since

906
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,159
fleischmann and ponds that

907
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,360
you couldn't get grants for it you

908
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,200
couldn't get patents now you know

909
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,120
lockheed has patents for cold fusion

910
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,799
leonard they call it coherent matter

911
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,840
weight beams

912
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,080
we don't know exactly what it is but the

913
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,799
overall concept of the others

914
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,880
there isn't just no way to deny that

915
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,399
there's other intelligence and life

916
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,000
forms on the planet

917
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,159
and i believe witnesses i wrote black

918
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,760
swan ghosts after interviewing a whole

919
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,039
bunch of witnesses

920
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,960
you know when you encounter believable

921
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,480
people and believable witnesses they've

922
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,919
never told their story to anyone else

923
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,919
they're not seeking any monetary gain

924
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,360
they don't want publicity they just want

925
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,440
to tell you their story what they saw

926
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:26,399
and you people are experiencing a

927
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,120
variety

928
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,360
of life forms that we generally don't

929
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,080
talk about all the way from cryptids

930
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,360
to these hard-shelled ufos and

931
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,200
everything in between so again it

932
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,000
suggests to me there's a whole spectrum

933
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,559
of life forms out there that we share

934
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,480
this space with now most of the time we

935
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,720
perhaps don't perceive them or we're

936
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,520
consciously pushing the information away

937
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,120
but i think it's there

938
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:54,640
they uh i think it's certainly possible

939
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
there's another

940
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,679
other civilizations on the planet that

941
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,679
just choose not to interact with us very

942
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:01,120
much maybe they're much older than we

943
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,600
are

944
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,919
and they consider us kind of primitives

945
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:05,039
i mean it's not it's not that

946
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,080
far-fetched

947
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:08,000
and they are under the oceans under the

948
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,200
ground they come out

949
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,039
a lot of these are i mean it's the navy

950
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,640
they're seeing these over ocean areas

951
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,159
there was that sea mount

952
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,159
even that fravor and associate other

953
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,080
pilots all right where the tic tac

954
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,159
what was that that suggests some sort of

955
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,080
underwater object

956
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,039
so i would not be at all surprised if

957
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,880
over the coming years we're told that

958
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,960
there's other civilizations

959
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,279
not literally extraterrestrial i guess

960
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,720
you call them people call them ultra

961
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,559
terrestrials there's someone else here

962
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,000
that has more advanced technology

963
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,159
that would not be the most far-fetched

964
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,760
thing i've ever heard in my life i can

965
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,760
easily see that happening and some of

966
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,880
these

967
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,200
uaps as they're called by the government

968
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:48,080
ufos seen over water areas could be

969
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:48,799
these other

970
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,559
civilizations uh as kevin day and others

971
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,399
suggested maybe they're keeping track of

972
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,440
marine life

973
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,640
they're maybe they're concerned about

974
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:58,159
how we affect marine life i mean it

975
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,559
could be

976
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,840
a variety things now right now

977
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:04,320
is baby steps this is step one we've got

978
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,960
the

979
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,880
mainstream is starting to talk about it

980
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,080
with less of a stigma

981
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,519
we've got the military in the us

982
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,360
particularly being told

983
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,919
talk about a report on it the stigma is

984
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,559
pretty much

985
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,880
if you look at the the memorandum is

986
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:18,480
gone because they're being told as a

987
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,039
direct

988
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,279
you know order to report on it the

989
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,039
public though that's a whole different

990
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,279
conversation to really get going

991
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,880
at what point though down the line do

992
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:29,679
you think does rving have a place

993
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,799
in this conversation down the line

994
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,559
yes it really could because it allows

995
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,480
people to sort of see these things in

996
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:39,200
another way with you know newfound

997
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,880
senses newfound abilities rv for me

998
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,360
did go a long ways to convince me as

999
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,880
someone that was university trained

1000
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,240
people at our university trained are in

1001
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,080
this box i was in it too

1002
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,600
you think you know everything by the

1003
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,799
time you got your peach everything you

1004
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:54,240
real you know the basic fundamentals of

1005
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:55,039
reality

1006
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,559
and let's say someone comes along and

1007
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,399
says no there's these other

1008
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,320
there's rv and there's other there's

1009
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,240
other life forms out there and you think

1010
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,840
sure until you start running it's a

1011
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,440
witness after witness

1012
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,640
after witness says i worked for nasa

1013
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080
there's a lot more going on than they're

1014
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:11,760
telling the public

1015
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,880
you find out there's a kind of a dark

1016
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:15,679
nasa

1017
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,200
things that they never show the public

1018
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,440
with another launch ground

1019
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,440
somewhere out in the ocean somewhere not

1020
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,720
at cape canaveral

1021
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,320
that's what i'm told from people who've

1022
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:27,919
worked with this organization

1023
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,279
so doing rv introduces some of these

1024
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:32,399
ideas you can get these things as

1025
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,200
targets

1026
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,720
an rv session

1027
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:39,200
uh nasa's alternate launch sites not

1028
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,240
shown to the public

1029
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,679
and you just view this and you get

1030
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,519
something out in kira body or something

1031
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,799
in the south pacific i'm just making

1032
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:46,000
this up i don't know where it is the

1033
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:46,640
person

1034
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,360
didn't tell me exactly the island you

1035
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,480
would just

1036
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,159
wonder maybe this is possible it kind of

1037
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:54,559
gets your imagination and curiosity

1038
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:55,360
going

1039
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,080
level of confusion within the public but

1040
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,480
that's necessary to

1041
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,799
the confusion is a necessary precursor

1042
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,640
to see in reality a new way

1043
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,520
now luckily we have podcasts like yours

1044
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,599
we've got youtube and twitter and many

1045
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,359
places people can go now

1046
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,960
beyond the mainstream which seems a

1047
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,599
little slow on the upside sometimes

1048
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,040
uh to get information there's many

1049
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,280
places you can get this information

1050
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,639
and this seems to me the wave of the

1051
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,720
future is multiple sources of

1052
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,440
information not just one authority

1053
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,879
when the government says they don't know

1054
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,040
what these are i mean

1055
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,839
it doesn't seem to me that chris mellon

1056
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,679
and luis elizondo

1057
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,399
believe them when you interview them and

1058
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,399
other podcasters

1059
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,960
or from tim mcmillan's conversations

1060
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,800
with all his sources you've had him on

1061
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,720
your show recently

1062
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,440
they you get the feeling they might know

1063
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,520
but maybe there's a lot they don't know

1064
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,200
and that's why they don't want to talk

1065
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,359
about it and so

1066
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,760
it could be a little anarchic but that

1067
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,040
can be a good thing

1068
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,839
you know because that's new information

1069
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,440
it's been in a period of stasis for

1070
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,960
decades where this was all just

1071
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,480
explained away and people were ridiculed

1072
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,800
and as you mentioned andy what i really

1073
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:11,839
liked in this

1074
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,720
uap report was they said there have been

1075
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,359
existing

1076
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,480
they said social sociocultural stigmas

1077
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,440
against reporting this you and i know

1078
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,040
that's true i can't tell you how many

1079
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:25,119
pilots and military folk i've talked to

1080
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,599
who

1081
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,680
will talk to me off camera off record

1082
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,280
don't want their names used or their

1083
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,119
stories publicized

1084
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,839
because of the potential stigma many

1085
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,960
people like that

1086
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:37,280
so i think what's going to happen the

1087
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,160
next stages

1088
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,000
is not just more information coming from

1089
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,800
the government i think it's logical that

1090
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,720
new witnesses could come forward that

1091
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,720
we've only maybe we've seen them a

1092
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,320
little bit on twitter

1093
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,920
maybe some of them will feel emboldened

1094
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,000
now that they're being encouraged by the

1095
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,599
pentagon to come forward that we won't

1096
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,960
punish you in any way

1097
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,800
for talking about that's a big step

1098
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,000
because you know people

1099
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,160
from the military will tell you your

1100
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,079
promotion can get held up just

1101
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,839
by the fact that your wife bounced a

1102
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,119
check by accident

1103
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,720
five years ago that will come up at

1104
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,240
these promotion hearings

1105
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,000
i've been told that everything comes up

1106
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,680
your promotion drains the last thing you

1107
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,119
want coming up at your promotion area

1108
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,800
and it's ufos

1109
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,320
let's say that changes and all of a

1110
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,320
sudden now that's seen as a plus like we

1111
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,240
had alex and dietrich she wouldn't come

1112
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,680
forward for quite a while although we're

1113
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,280
told she bring congress

1114
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,800
no i'm not criticizing her in any way

1115
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,560
but she was afraid to come forward i

1116
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,480
think that's what she said no sudden

1117
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,040
she's on 60 minutes well how many other

1118
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,960
alexandricks are out there

1119
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,119
from other incidents so i think we could

1120
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,520
see a really beautiful critical mass

1121
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:40,240
of witnesses come forward which would be

1122
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,200
fantastic

1123
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,760
with so much information and data it

1124
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,359
could be overwhelming

1125
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,359
right often people are rewarded for

1126
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,280
sharing their stories

1127
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,079
people experience a lot i'm here in new

1128
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,359
york at the moment where we're

1129
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599
i'm talking to you from ground zero for

1130
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the hudson valley ufo

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even my mom's friends where i'm staying

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at my mom's place

1133
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i have friends of hers told me just a

1134
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,280
couple weeks ago oh yeah i saw the

1135
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,359
hudson valley ufo coming down back from

1136
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skiing in upstate new york one night

1137
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,640
made those flat turns huge triangle

1138
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,480
blah we're gonna do interviews with them

1139
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,480
but people around here have seen it they

1140
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never said anything to anybody

1141
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uh never said anything even in my own

1142
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high school class

1143
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i mentioned vinnie the wrestling coach

1144
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and the wrestlers from my high school

1145
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class in 11th grade 10th love

1146
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,839
saw a huge black triangle over marinick

1147
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high school

1148
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never told anybody i only found out

1149
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,240
about a couple years ago so

1150
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the next step just beyond you know more

1151
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,839
information coming out from the uap task

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00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,800
force and

1153
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,480
congress perhaps demanding more

1154
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,400
information like something building up

1155
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:46,000
is witnesses feeding into that i think

1156
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:47,119
that would be a cool thing if that were

1157
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to happen

1158
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,640
it's possible awesome some people can

1159
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,680
find obviously you've got a few

1160
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,720
different things going on

1161
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,800
uh your presentation on parallel

1162
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,560
realities you've got our practical

1163
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,400
remote viewing workshop and also a

1164
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,079
remote viewing panel as well

1165
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:02,079
how else can people find your resources

1166
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:03,440
because you've got a few different sites

1167
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:04,000
you've mentioned

1168
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,440
one and you've also got the mount baldy

1169
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,839
institute as well yeah so the most

1170
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,359
common question i get from people is how

1171
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,040
do i start learning an rv

1172
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,960
and i've got i've got a lot of free

1173
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:14,320
videos up there you can just start

1174
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trying it

1175
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,400
and you know in an hour you can kind of

1176
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,720
figure out the basics the basic steps

1177
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:21,359
you go to learnrv.org you'll find a link

1178
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,240
for

1179
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,280
you know my sort of self-paced

1180
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,359
free class just from youtube you know

1181
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,440
just a few videos to show you the basics

1182
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,920
so learnrv.org is a good place i'm on

1183
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,200
youtube

1184
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,760
twitter and my blog where i post you

1185
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,680
know new ideas new articles and things

1186
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,520
related to this is new crystal mind

1187
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,640
new crystalmine.com awesome some great

1188
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,920
speaking with you and i look forward to

1189
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:45,119
speaking in a few months again on the

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00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,079
podcast as well

1191
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,520
okay andy thanks again we'll talk to you

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00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:49,599
soon cheers sam have a good day

1193
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,150
jc thank you everyone for watching the

1194
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760
interviews with ryan sprague

1195
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,440
and simeon hayne as well and i hope you

1196
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,960
have a great time at contact in the

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00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,200
desert this year

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00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,280
that is all for this week's show thank

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00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,960
you very much for listening

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00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,800
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00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,960
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00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,680
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00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,119
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00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,280
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1212
00:40:05,570 --> 00:39:35,440
and again folks as always keep looking

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[Music]

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is

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i can't imagine how it could have been

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[Music]

1217
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was weird and everything was red i

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helped out my boys they thought this was

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[Music]

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and what's that

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[Music]

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consider your serious